1 00:00:11,890 --> 00:00:17,000 Hello to everyone. Good afternoon. I'm so excited to be 2 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,088 here today to have this discussion with our 3 00:00:21,088 --> 00:00:25,687 distinguished panel. My name is Sean mentioned is Valencia 4 00:00:25,687 --> 00:00:31,819 Martin Wallace. My my job here at the USPTO is the Deputy 5 00:00:31,819 --> 00:00:35,907 Commissioner for patents. I oversee the areas of 6 00:00:35,907 --> 00:00:39,995 international patent cooperation as well as oversight over 7 00:00:39,995 --> 00:00:41,528 technology centers examining 8 00:00:41,528 --> 00:00:45,268 applications. Or mechanical technologies telecommunications 9 00:00:45,268 --> 00:00:48,436 And our design applications as 10 00:00:48,436 --> 00:00:54,407 well. I also have the privilege of being the executive 11 00:00:54,407 --> 00:00:59,137 lead supporting the director of USPTO on our implementation 12 00:00:59,137 --> 00:01:03,394 of the National Council for expanding American Innovation. A 13 00:01:03,394 --> 00:01:05,759 council made up of the. 14 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,971 A large group of of wonderful leaders in the field of 15 00:01:11,971 --> 00:01:15,819 innovation. And international I'm sorry, an intellectual property 16 00:01:15,819 --> 00:01:20,629 community. We've come together to help USPTO, support and 17 00:01:20,629 --> 00:01:24,958 assist in the development of national strategy for expanding 18 00:01:24,958 --> 00:01:30,249 innovation, which is a perfect segue to our our panels topic 19 00:01:30,249 --> 00:01:35,059 today, which is creating a pathway to innovation and we 20 00:01:35,059 --> 00:01:37,464 will hear from our panelists. 21 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,628 About the their insights. 22 00:01:40,410 --> 00:01:43,290 I'm creating a more inclusive innovation community hearing 23 00:01:43,290 --> 00:01:47,250 from their own experiences, as well as what they've done to 24 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:51,570 help support others. So with that I will not. I will not 25 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:55,530 waste anytime because I'm very excited to hear from all three 26 00:01:55,530 --> 00:01:59,850 of these panels I've I have heard from them before. I've had 27 00:01:59,850 --> 00:02:03,450 conversations with them, and I've heard from them on this 28 00:02:03,450 --> 00:02:07,410 topic and many others and and they are very, very impressive 29 00:02:07,410 --> 00:02:09,930 group of leaders in the IP and 30 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:13,972 innovation communities. So I will just start by asking a 31 00:02:13,972 --> 00:02:17,473 Dara Kendall, Vice president and associate general counsel of 32 00:02:17,473 --> 00:02:21,752 Global Fabric and Home Care for the Procter and Gamble Company 33 00:02:21,752 --> 00:02:26,420 to please give us a little bit more information about about you 34 00:02:26,420 --> 00:02:29,532 and introduce yourself to our our group today. 35 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,153 Yeah, it's my pleasure to be here, so greetings everyone. I 36 00:02:35,153 --> 00:02:39,352 have been practicing in the area of patent law for I think 24 37 00:02:39,352 --> 00:02:43,228 years. I don't know how this happened. I actually I came out 38 00:02:43,228 --> 00:02:47,104 of law school back then and and actually was trained as a 39 00:02:47,104 --> 00:02:50,980 chemical engineer. So I went to law school to study patent law 40 00:02:50,980 --> 00:02:55,825 and I came to PNG straight out of law school. So as you can see 41 00:02:55,825 --> 00:03:00,024 from the Gray hairs, it's been a minute and The funny thing is 42 00:03:00,024 --> 00:03:01,639 it's like I remember diversity 43 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,293 being talked. Very strongly when I first entered the walls of 44 00:03:05,293 --> 00:03:08,560 Procter and Gamble, and I was thinking, Oh well, you know 45 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,124 that's a problem that will go away. What will figure that out? 46 00:03:12,124 --> 00:03:15,688 And here we are like, 24 years later, we're still having 47 00:03:15,688 --> 00:03:18,658 the same conversation. So clearly there is still work to 48 00:03:18,658 --> 00:03:21,628 be done. But um, I'm really looking forward to the 49 00:03:21,628 --> 00:03:24,895 conversation on how we can expedite us getting to a more 50 00:03:24,895 --> 00:03:27,865 diverse and inclusive environment for us all. And so I 51 00:03:27,865 --> 00:03:31,429 think the key there is for us all to be uncomfortable. Always 52 00:03:31,429 --> 00:03:33,508 talk about that, just get out of 53 00:03:33,508 --> 00:03:38,370 your comfort zone. And as soon as you do that, you'll grow. So 54 00:03:38,370 --> 00:03:42,220 let let's let's be diverse and inclusive. Absolutely thank you. 55 00:03:42,220 --> 00:03:46,070 Next, I'd like to introduce our next panelist, Suzanne Harrison, 56 00:03:46,070 --> 00:03:50,305 the founder of The Gathering. And if Suzanne, if you could 57 00:03:50,305 --> 00:03:54,155 share with us and and our participants today on your 58 00:03:54,155 --> 00:03:58,880 background. Sure, I'm. I'm actually not a lawyer. I have an 59 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,917 economics degree an I came at this through the finance world. 60 00:04:03,690 --> 00:04:06,567 Originally helping companies calculate damages for litigation 61 00:04:06,567 --> 00:04:10,677 cases. Patent infringement as an example, and I found myself 62 00:04:10,677 --> 00:04:15,198 really liking the inventors and realizing that I didn't want to 63 00:04:15,198 --> 00:04:20,130 work on the outcome of what happened. I wanted to help fix 64 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:25,062 it before it started and so I changed the consulting to become 65 00:04:25,062 --> 00:04:29,583 to work with companies around what we now know as intellectual 66 00:04:29,583 --> 00:04:33,282 property management and I've helped. I think established that 67 00:04:33,282 --> 00:04:36,981 you can use intellectual property is both illegal asset. 68 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:40,220 And a business asset and that companies can make better 69 00:04:40,220 --> 00:04:42,397 informed decisions about intellectual property and how 70 00:04:42,397 --> 00:04:46,440 they can get value out of that. And so if I created a 71 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,861 group called The Gathering, which is a group of about 20 72 00:04:49,861 --> 00:04:53,282 companies at a time that meet and create best practices for 73 00:04:53,282 --> 00:04:57,014 how to do that routinely, and it's been, I think, 27 years 74 00:04:57,014 --> 00:04:58,569 that Group's been going now. 75 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,580 And as you said, and your background may not be in a 76 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:08,130 typical of of IP, but in innovation it's pivotal, an 77 00:05:08,130 --> 00:05:12,035 vital as as we grow our innovation ecosystem. So I would 78 00:05:12,035 --> 00:05:15,230 our last panelists. I'm very pleased to introduce Holly Fechner 79 00:05:15,230 --> 00:05:19,490 partner at the law firm of Covington and Burling. If you 80 00:05:19,490 --> 00:05:22,685 could please give us some more information about yourself. 81 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,803 Such a pleasure to be here with you and Dara and Suzanne for 82 00:05:30,803 --> 00:05:35,975 this important conversation and just at top I want to 83 00:05:35,975 --> 00:05:41,147 thank you for your leadership at the NCEAI. It's been a 84 00:05:41,147 --> 00:05:45,026 tremendous process. I'm sure we'll talk more about that 85 00:05:45,026 --> 00:05:50,198 today, but you've really been a star in leading that effort, so 86 00:05:50,198 --> 00:05:55,370 I am a partner at Covington and Burling law firm in Washington 87 00:05:55,370 --> 00:06:00,792 DC. I'm Co chair of our technology industry group but 88 00:06:00,792 --> 00:06:05,872 I also serve as executive director of a group called 89 00:06:05,872 --> 00:06:10,444 Invent Together and would very much encourage the people 90 00:06:10,444 --> 00:06:15,524 participating in our event today to go to inventtogether.org to 91 00:06:15,524 --> 00:06:17,556 learn more about the 92 00:06:17,556 --> 00:06:23,350 organization. But what we found is that there are large and 93 00:06:23,350 --> 00:06:24,748 disturbing patent path. 94 00:06:25,460 --> 00:06:30,663 Where women, people of color and lower income people don't invent 95 00:06:30,663 --> 00:06:35,866 and patent as much as their share of the population, or 96 00:06:35,866 --> 00:06:41,542 certainly as much as we all think they should an want them 97 00:06:41,542 --> 00:06:47,026 to. So the organization has been doing extensive research on 98 00:06:47,026 --> 00:06:52,350 the patent gaps, but also leading up efforts both in the 99 00:06:52,350 --> 00:06:57,674 public policy and the private sector to try to close those 100 00:06:57,674 --> 00:07:02,514 gaps so very much. Looking forward to sharing more details 101 00:07:02,514 --> 00:07:08,806 about what we're up to as part of our conversation today. And I 102 00:07:08,806 --> 00:07:13,646 I come with these issues from very long history of. 103 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,282 Working on gender and race justice issues before coming 104 00:07:19,282 --> 00:07:25,462 to the law firm, I worked for Senator Kennedy And 105 00:07:25,462 --> 00:07:31,024 worked on very similar issues in a different context. 106 00:07:32,390 --> 00:07:33,410 Thanks for having me. 107 00:07:34,190 --> 00:07:38,935 Thank you thank all three of you for being here with this, just 108 00:07:38,935 --> 00:07:43,315 with your intro. Just that's just the tip of the iceberg with 109 00:07:43,315 --> 00:07:47,695 the three of you, but it's it's it's amazing. The work that 110 00:07:47,695 --> 00:07:51,345 you've done not only as professionals in this career and 111 00:07:51,345 --> 00:07:54,995 leaders in as I mentioned in IP communities and innovation 112 00:07:54,995 --> 00:07:58,645 communities, but but how you're bringing people with you. This 113 00:07:58,645 --> 00:08:00,470 is not in an individuals. 114 00:08:02,260 --> 00:08:07,000 Challenger fight it has to be all of us together working on 115 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,740 this and and all three of you have an amazing way brought 116 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:16,085 others with you to help to champion what's going on here. 117 00:08:16,750 --> 00:08:20,548 And I I use that word specifically champion. There's 118 00:08:20,548 --> 00:08:24,768 always something in on the personal side as well as 119 00:08:24,768 --> 00:08:29,410 professional side of doing work like this and being a champion 120 00:08:29,410 --> 00:08:33,208 to provide more diversity, bringing more women, more people 121 00:08:33,208 --> 00:08:38,694 color into a community into into a business that has not been the 122 00:08:38,694 --> 00:08:43,336 most welcoming in its history. It takes more than just the 123 00:08:43,336 --> 00:08:46,712 professional takes a passion for doing the work. 124 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:51,752 So if you could each share with us and maybe we start 125 00:08:51,752 --> 00:08:56,835 with Holly on what drives you to be a champion to create a 126 00:08:56,835 --> 00:08:59,963 more diverse and inclusive IP and innovation community. 127 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:06,072 Oh absolutely, I mean. For me it's a. It's a moral 128 00:09:06,072 --> 00:09:10,140 imperative. Our country is certainly not perfect. I think 129 00:09:10,140 --> 00:09:15,112 we've been striving to to perfect our union for over 200 130 00:09:15,112 --> 00:09:20,536 years. We still have a long way to go. I think the 131 00:09:20,536 --> 00:09:25,508 particularly the events of the last year have shown us some 132 00:09:25,508 --> 00:09:25,960 cracks. 133 00:09:27,390 --> 00:09:33,838 in how we include people based on race based on gender based on 134 00:09:33,838 --> 00:09:39,790 other factors that are out of peoples control. So to me it 135 00:09:39,790 --> 00:09:45,742 really is a moral imperative to work on this issue. But in 136 00:09:45,742 --> 00:09:51,198 addition to that, there's no doubt that we would all benefit 137 00:09:51,198 --> 00:09:57,646 in so many other ways by doing this too. I don't think anybody. 138 00:09:57,980 --> 00:10:00,038 Knows more about. 139 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,348 How important intellectual property is to our economy than 140 00:10:05,348 --> 00:10:07,636 those of the USPTO. 141 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:15,198 But one of the things that we know is that if we did include. 142 00:10:16,530 --> 00:10:21,660 Every all women, people of color and lower income. Individuals 143 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:27,816 who want to invent and patent in the innovation ecosystem that we 144 00:10:27,816 --> 00:10:33,972 would have four times as many inventors and we would have up 145 00:10:33,972 --> 00:10:39,615 to a trillion more dollars in our gross domestic product. As 146 00:10:39,615 --> 00:10:44,745 we think about the future, both of individuals, their families, 147 00:10:44,745 --> 00:10:46,797 and our our nation. 148 00:10:47,460 --> 00:10:53,970 Just a no brainer there. There is no doubt that we need to be 149 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:58,155 committed to trying to expand who participates in our 150 00:10:58,155 --> 00:10:59,085 innovation ecosystem. 151 00:11:00,170 --> 00:11:03,470 Absolutely, you bring about some really great points there. That 152 00:11:03,470 --> 00:11:07,100 this is. This is for the individual, but it's for the 153 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:10,730 nation as well As for the betterment of our society and 154 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:13,700 growth. Dera can you please also share with us? 155 00:11:15,900 --> 00:11:19,596 I think Holly pointed out some great points around why it's 156 00:11:19,596 --> 00:11:23,628 important. You know, I think this is a really easy one for 157 00:11:23,628 --> 00:11:27,324 me, especially as a corporate attorney. You know, I see what 158 00:11:27,324 --> 00:11:30,348 happens when our workforce does not mimic our consumer 159 00:11:30,348 --> 00:11:35,052 based. So like the big or the easy example for me is in the 160 00:11:35,052 --> 00:11:36,732 area of black hair care. 161 00:11:38,170 --> 00:11:41,723 Black women spend thousands of dollars a year on their hair. 162 00:11:41,723 --> 00:11:44,953 Whether it's natural like mine or whether they wear it 163 00:11:44,953 --> 00:11:48,183 straightened. And even though I don't have that material, I 164 00:11:48,183 --> 00:11:53,028 still spend a lot of money. So it seems like a no brainer to me 165 00:11:53,028 --> 00:11:56,581 to have people who are on our research and development teams 166 00:11:56,581 --> 00:12:00,134 that understand the culture of hair, the challenges and what are 167 00:12:00,134 --> 00:12:03,687 the delights that the consumer is looking for. So our company 168 00:12:03,687 --> 00:12:07,563 has been on a journey to build R&D teams, IP teams that. 169 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:11,480 Basically, get it so we're starting to make headways in 170 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,296 black hair care, and we've seen a bunch of launches over the 171 00:12:15,296 --> 00:12:19,430 last few years just trying to get to what is it that consumers 172 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:22,928 want in another area that I think of most prominently as 173 00:12:22,928 --> 00:12:24,836 skin care. That's an area where. 174 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:29,912 You know you've just got so many different types of skin. It 175 00:12:29,912 --> 00:12:32,880 helps to have people with different skins, different 176 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,848 perspectives, different experiences. So if we can have 177 00:12:35,848 --> 00:12:39,558 an R&D team legal team that includes men, women, Asians, 178 00:12:39,558 --> 00:12:42,897 latins, black, white, you've got the reference representation 179 00:12:42,897 --> 00:12:46,978 that gives you an understanding of what that consumer is dealing 180 00:12:46,978 --> 00:12:51,801 with. So for me, diversity makes each of us an integral piece of 181 00:12:51,801 --> 00:12:56,253 the puzzle, and we need all of those pieces to make that 182 00:12:56,253 --> 00:13:00,250 complete picture. So for me, I just want to make sure that I'm 183 00:13:00,250 --> 00:13:03,370 doing my part to make sure that my legal team represents the 184 00:13:03,370 --> 00:13:05,710 consumer base and that that keeps me fired up. 185 00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:09,320 Oh, I absolutely understand exactly what you're saying. It 186 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,510 really is. Is diversity of opinion? That's going to help us 187 00:13:12,510 --> 00:13:16,860 grow and and we all have to be included and we all have to be 188 00:13:16,860 --> 00:13:20,050 conscious of making sure that we are all included. Suzanne, if 189 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:23,820 you don't mind also sharing of what is made you a champion in 190 00:13:23,820 --> 00:13:24,980 this in this arena. 191 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,226 Yeah, I think a lot of it just has to be my experience being 192 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:33,814 the only women in the room for most of Mycareer and realizing 193 00:13:33,814 --> 00:13:37,701 that's horrible. I mean, I don't want to go to the bathroom and 194 00:13:37,701 --> 00:13:41,289 talk to myself when everyone else is having a whole party in 195 00:13:41,289 --> 00:13:44,877 the Mens bathroom. It just makes you. It's only lonely and and 196 00:13:44,877 --> 00:13:48,166 also you don't really get that networking. You don't get that 197 00:13:48,166 --> 00:13:51,455 growth experienced and so I too like Dara Thought well, you 198 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:55,342 know this will be solved in a few years. It'll be done, you 199 00:13:55,342 --> 00:13:59,624 know. I've been doing this for 30 years and you know, I I 200 00:13:59,624 --> 00:14:03,810 finally just reached my point where I was like. OK, if I can't 201 00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:07,352 help companies figure out how to solve this, that it's useless 202 00:14:07,352 --> 00:14:11,538 right? And so for the last year and a half I've been working 203 00:14:11,538 --> 00:14:15,402 with the gathering to get them to think about what are best 204 00:14:15,402 --> 00:14:18,944 practices that we can implement today to get more diversity in 205 00:14:18,944 --> 00:14:21,842 inventorship. And the first thing again follows on some 206 00:14:21,842 --> 00:14:25,384 pretty obvious. Let's tie it to a business goal. Co. solve 207 00:14:25,384 --> 00:14:28,760 problems. All the time when they feel it's in their best 208 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,680 interest. Maybe it says Dara said, maybe it's getting close 209 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,476 to your customer base. Maybe it's going to help you in PR and 210 00:14:35,476 --> 00:14:38,980 marketing. Maybe it's going to help you in a different way, but 211 00:14:38,980 --> 00:14:42,484 let's figure out what those are and tie this issue to that. 212 00:14:42,484 --> 00:14:45,696 'cause. That way companies will solve it and also find other 213 00:14:45,696 --> 00:14:50,076 things that we can do and and I will say that we are not done. 214 00:14:50,076 --> 00:14:53,580 This is a complex problem, you know, but we are almost there 215 00:14:53,580 --> 00:14:55,332 and we're getting to the point 216 00:14:55,332 --> 00:15:00,497 where. Looking to begin to share those with the world. I'm a 217 00:15:00,497 --> 00:15:04,467 board member with a group called the US intellectual property 218 00:15:04,467 --> 00:15:08,437 alliance usip.org an I'm the Co chair of the Diversity and 219 00:15:08,437 --> 00:15:12,407 Inclusion Committee and so we are working with invent together 220 00:15:12,407 --> 00:15:15,980 USPTO. All these organizations have desperately been doing 221 00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:21,141 really good work in a piece of the puzzle and trying to bring 222 00:15:21,141 --> 00:15:25,508 all those together in a cohesive framework so that people can 223 00:15:25,508 --> 00:15:27,096 learn and implement immediately. 224 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,292 All these things they need to know with how to solve this 225 00:15:30,292 --> 00:15:35,640 problem. Absolutely thank you and and let me stop and just 226 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,315 tell our audience right now that you've already heard of some 227 00:15:40,315 --> 00:15:44,565 really great organizations that are working on this, this this 228 00:15:44,565 --> 00:15:48,815 issue. This challenge with invent together with US IPA with 229 00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:52,890 gathering. We would love to share the links and we will 230 00:15:52,890 --> 00:15:56,816 share the links with you after our panel so that you can get 231 00:15:56,816 --> 00:16:00,440 more information on how what they have to offer, as well as 232 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,252 how you can get involved so. 233 00:16:03,210 --> 00:16:08,235 No, that that will be coming for you soon and I just want to just 234 00:16:08,235 --> 00:16:12,255 go back to what you said Suzanne about we're, you know, we're 235 00:16:12,255 --> 00:16:15,605 almost there. We've made great strides and we're almost there. 236 00:16:15,605 --> 00:16:19,960 An I. I agree with you, we've made great strides for women in 237 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,315 two fields in technical areas, as well as a law that are not. 238 00:16:24,315 --> 00:16:28,335 We're not, you know, created for us, or we were very inclusive 239 00:16:28,335 --> 00:16:32,690 of. But we've made great strides in it. But you know what? We 240 00:16:32,690 --> 00:16:34,700 still have a lot of challenges. 241 00:16:34,830 --> 00:16:39,666 Ahead of us, where do you see if each of you could answer 242 00:16:39,666 --> 00:16:44,130 and maybe start with our this time? Where do you see the 243 00:16:44,130 --> 00:16:47,850 the biggest challenges for women as we are advancing in 244 00:16:47,850 --> 00:16:48,966 innovation ecosystem today? 245 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:55,610 OK, I'm gonna do that equal in my mute somebody. 246 00:16:57,270 --> 00:17:01,924 But you know, I honestly think a lot of times women struggle with 247 00:17:01,924 --> 00:17:06,578 not being a natural part of the boys Club. And I think that's 248 00:17:06,578 --> 00:17:11,590 where a lot of the magic happens on a daily basis. I mean, it 249 00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:15,886 could be in the area of tech, business, finance, law, so it 250 00:17:15,886 --> 00:17:19,466 doesn't matter what the arena is. Those Nuggets are being 251 00:17:19,466 --> 00:17:23,046 passed around in those circles, and sometimes you know that 252 00:17:23,046 --> 00:17:25,910 sharing of information is intentional, but oftentimes it 253 00:17:25,910 --> 00:17:28,058 just happens as a matter of 254 00:17:28,058 --> 00:17:31,270 course, because. They're all together talking, so I feel like 255 00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:35,105 we, as women have to be a bit more proactive and making sure 256 00:17:35,105 --> 00:17:38,055 that we're connected with those that are that have that 257 00:17:38,055 --> 00:17:41,005 experience in the field of our interest, or even those 258 00:17:41,005 --> 00:17:44,250 tangential fields that might be useful for the field that we're 259 00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:48,380 in. So, like in the old days, you know folks would head to the 260 00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:51,920 bar, play tennis, or maybe head to the links or something like 261 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,755 that. But like today, you know we're focusing on OK, how do we 262 00:17:55,755 --> 00:17:59,295 connect virtually right And We figured out that we can do it. 263 00:17:59,370 --> 00:18:03,330 And we can do it very well. So I think that is something that is 264 00:18:03,330 --> 00:18:07,026 going to have to continue in the future even if we get back to 265 00:18:07,026 --> 00:18:10,722 you know a real world where we can meet in person like we we 266 00:18:10,722 --> 00:18:13,098 have to continue to be intentional about our connects 267 00:18:13,098 --> 00:18:17,058 and we have to get out of our own way. I think some of the 268 00:18:17,058 --> 00:18:19,698 speakers in the earlier hour we're talking about. We just 269 00:18:19,698 --> 00:18:23,394 have to get out of our own way and believe that we can and 270 00:18:23,394 --> 00:18:27,354 speak up and ask for just a few minutes of their time to have a 271 00:18:27,354 --> 00:18:29,994 conversation because people are more than willing to just talk 272 00:18:29,994 --> 00:18:33,776 and pour into. You know their counterpart parts, or the next 273 00:18:33,776 --> 00:18:38,287 generation, and I can say that I've done this way more in the 274 00:18:38,287 --> 00:18:42,451 last year than I ever have, and I'm connecting with people in 275 00:18:42,451 --> 00:18:46,268 the areas of finance 'cause I've been clueless about finance for 276 00:18:46,268 --> 00:18:49,738 the last 20 years as a patent attorney, logistics engineering, 277 00:18:49,738 --> 00:18:53,208 regulatory advertising. Who would have thought and then IP, 278 00:18:53,208 --> 00:18:57,719 of course. So I think we just have to know that we're capable 279 00:18:57,719 --> 00:19:01,189 and give that air of confidence off that our counterparts. 280 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,285 Do and make sure that people are hearing what we have to say. 281 00:19:06,650 --> 00:19:10,758 So and then I think the final thing that I would mention is 282 00:19:10,758 --> 00:19:14,234 that I think another challenge that we have to overcome is 283 00:19:14,234 --> 00:19:18,026 maybe it's as a society. It's the mindset of certain men so 284 00:19:18,026 --> 00:19:22,450 that they can start seeing us as their equal. So a lot of times 285 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:26,874 if you think of women in the room as a sister, a mother, a 286 00:19:26,874 --> 00:19:30,350 daughter, you're not going to want your relative to be treated 287 00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:34,774 as less than. So if men can keep that in mind, then it becomes 288 00:19:34,774 --> 00:19:36,038 very easy to see. 289 00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:37,580 All that we bring to the table. 290 00:19:38,130 --> 00:19:42,810 So absolutely thank you. This is an do you have anything to add? 291 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:48,034 I mean I, I think all those things are true and I also think 292 00:19:48,034 --> 00:19:51,947 that if you know fundamental if you want to be an innovator, you 293 00:19:51,947 --> 00:19:55,258 have to go kick down some doors, right? I mean, unfortunately 294 00:19:55,258 --> 00:19:58,569 people just don't open them to us automatically. You know, back 295 00:19:58,569 --> 00:20:00,074 in 2007 and 2008 I. 296 00:20:00,390 --> 00:20:03,930 Was starting a company I started a company to create a patent 297 00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:07,470 marketplace and I was fortunate enough to hook up with one of 298 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:11,305 the first women BCS who decided to mentor me and you know, she 299 00:20:11,305 --> 00:20:14,550 told me a couple of things that were really interesting. The 300 00:20:14,550 --> 00:20:17,795 first is that you know The Dirty secret for venture capitalists 301 00:20:17,795 --> 00:20:21,040 is that first time inventors have the biggest ideas and will 302 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,285 make them the most money in. Largely they have those ideas 303 00:20:24,285 --> 00:20:28,415 because they don't know how hard it is to do this, and so they 304 00:20:28,415 --> 00:20:30,185 think really big and so they. 305 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,892 are in searching for those people who don't. Yet I haven't 306 00:20:33,892 --> 00:20:37,675 been beaten down by the system or don't know how hard it is 307 00:20:37,675 --> 00:20:41,167 because those are the ones that are going to make money into. 308 00:20:41,167 --> 00:20:44,368 What I found is, yeah, sexism is rampant in Silicon Valley, 309 00:20:44,368 --> 00:20:48,151 right? That's where I am. I had to have people curate who I 310 00:20:48,151 --> 00:20:51,934 could go speak with. I had people tell me to my face. We 311 00:20:51,934 --> 00:20:55,426 will never find a woman. You know all of those things. And 312 00:20:55,426 --> 00:20:59,791 yet, in spite of all that, I had more people who came out to help 313 00:20:59,791 --> 00:21:02,701 me than I ever thought possible. And you have heard. 314 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:07,516 In the course of this morning, I don't know, maybe 50 times that 315 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:12,444 advised to ask for help. I can only say that do it because it 316 00:21:12,444 --> 00:21:15,964 will happen without with little with little effort. Even people 317 00:21:15,964 --> 00:21:20,540 want to be helpful. Men really want to be helpful and so they 318 00:21:20,540 --> 00:21:25,468 would like to know if you want help. They don't want to come up 319 00:21:25,468 --> 00:21:30,044 to you to see if that you know. Do you need help something? 320 00:21:30,044 --> 00:21:31,804 Sometimes that happens, but not 321 00:21:31,804 --> 00:21:35,887 very often. And so I would just encourage women to do that. It 322 00:21:35,887 --> 00:21:39,625 was. It was helpful for me and I would think it would be helpful 323 00:21:39,625 --> 00:21:43,363 for you. As another note, when I I give free. Sorry, I give 324 00:21:43,363 --> 00:21:47,804 frequent talks. I am almost never had a woman come up to me 325 00:21:47,804 --> 00:21:51,756 afterwards, and I get asked for help by men all the time. So 326 00:21:51,756 --> 00:21:55,404 again, just my own experiences that no ones even asking me or 327 00:21:55,404 --> 00:21:59,052 offering for me to help. And again, these are virtual so it's 328 00:21:59,052 --> 00:22:03,004 hard for me to know who I'm impacting or not. I mean, you 329 00:22:03,004 --> 00:22:06,652 know we can't even see the audience at this point, so you 330 00:22:06,652 --> 00:22:10,300 know, again, you don't know what resonates and what doesn't. So I 331 00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:13,948 think just reaching out and asking for help is is always a 332 00:22:13,948 --> 00:22:16,720 good idea. Excellent advice. 333 00:22:18,140 --> 00:22:23,380 And Holly, you have anything to share. Absolutely one associate 334 00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:28,096 myself with the remarks of Dara Suzanne. Entirely agree. 335 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:36,121 I would love to add a few other thoughts. This is just one 336 00:22:36,121 --> 00:22:40,774 measurement, but according to some terrific work that the 337 00:22:40,774 --> 00:22:48,012 USPTO has done only 13% of all women on AUS patent in 29 on 338 00:22:48,012 --> 00:22:54,216 a US patent in 2019. So I we absolutely have to celebrate 339 00:22:54,216 --> 00:22:59,903 those women and people of color who have made it in. 340 00:22:59,980 --> 00:23:03,962 Gonna be innovation ecosystem, but I do think we have to 341 00:23:03,962 --> 00:23:07,944 acknowledge that we have a tremendous amount of work to do 342 00:23:07,944 --> 00:23:10,840 to get to where we want to be. 343 00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:18,144 One thing that I think is really useful is is to think about in 344 00:23:18,144 --> 00:23:22,354 terms of buckets. There are things that individuals can do 345 00:23:22,354 --> 00:23:25,722 themselves. There are institutions that need to be 346 00:23:25,722 --> 00:23:30,353 changed, and then there are public policies that need to be 347 00:23:30,353 --> 00:23:35,826 changed, and I think if we work on all those different front we 348 00:23:35,826 --> 00:23:40,878 will make progress and and we are making progress. I think one 349 00:23:40,878 --> 00:23:42,141 of the developments. 350 00:23:42,270 --> 00:23:47,958 Over the last five years is that people are looking more closely 351 00:23:47,958 --> 00:23:53,172 all the different phases of the innovation ecosystem to try to 352 00:23:53,172 --> 00:23:58,860 dig into more. What we can do because many people had this 353 00:23:58,860 --> 00:24:05,022 sense that it was just a quote pipeline prog problem. If we had 354 00:24:05,022 --> 00:24:10,710 enough women and people of color who got certain kinds of STEM 355 00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:12,132 degrees that this. 356 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,388 Problem would solve itself. 357 00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:19,597 And that's certainly as we've seen it. It's not the case 358 00:24:19,597 --> 00:24:23,744 because there there are just so many points along the way 359 00:24:23,744 --> 00:24:27,514 as somebody is trying to succeed in this field that 360 00:24:27,514 --> 00:24:32,415 they could advance or be set back. And so I think it's up 361 00:24:32,415 --> 00:24:35,054 to all of us to think about. 362 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:42,968 The complexity of the situation and try to figure out how we 363 00:24:42,968 --> 00:24:47,864 can make change one really interesting piece of research 364 00:24:47,864 --> 00:24:54,936 that that we have come across is work by Doctor Alex Bell about 365 00:24:54,936 --> 00:25:00,376 the exposure effect the idea that somebody is much more 366 00:25:00,376 --> 00:25:06,904 likely to become an inventor if they are exposed as a child. 367 00:25:06,970 --> 00:25:12,850 To other inventors even get down to the level of if there 368 00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:18,730 you know if maybe one of their friends parents or their scout 369 00:25:18,730 --> 00:25:23,630 leader or somebody invents in a certain field. It's more 370 00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:29,510 likely later in life that they will invent in that field. So 371 00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:32,940 focus on invention education at early ages. 372 00:25:34,570 --> 00:25:41,950 Clearly more investment in STEM education. We also want to 373 00:25:41,950 --> 00:25:48,592 ensure that our universities and employers have fair employment 374 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,385 Policy is because we we know that there there still is 375 00:25:55,385 --> 00:26:00,135 discrimination. An I think the pandemic has really laid bare 376 00:26:00,135 --> 00:26:05,360 some of the work, family and work life challenges that that 377 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:10,110 people face with schools have closed in child care centers 378 00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:16,285 have been closed. I mean sadly we are at the lowest level we 379 00:26:16,285 --> 00:26:19,610 have been in years in terms of 380 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:23,978 work. Forced partition participation by women, but we 381 00:26:23,978 --> 00:26:28,874 can think of entrepreneurial activity and other types of 382 00:26:28,874 --> 00:26:33,226 innovation. Innovative careers as opportunities for women to 383 00:26:33,226 --> 00:26:40,298 have more control of their time in their lives. So I I do 384 00:26:40,298 --> 00:26:46,826 think it's important to sort of focus on all these areas. We've 385 00:26:46,826 --> 00:26:49,546 talked a lot about networking 386 00:26:49,546 --> 00:26:54,825 and mentoring. Absolutely, no doubt that that's an important 387 00:26:54,825 --> 00:27:00,525 piece of the equation, as is access to capital. So I've got 388 00:27:00,525 --> 00:27:05,275 this great business idea, but you need to convince something 389 00:27:05,275 --> 00:27:11,450 to to give you the capital to to get that business going. So 390 00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:18,100 there is no one size fits all solution, but I think we're in a 391 00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:21,900 much better place of understanding all of the 392 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:26,575 different level. Levers that that we need to to try to 393 00:27:26,575 --> 00:27:27,730 improve the situation. 394 00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:32,400 Absolutly. So we we've had a couple of questions already 395 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,300 come in. Based on the comments you've already given us, so I'm 396 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:40,200 going to take one now because I think it says fits perfectly 397 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,100 with what we've been discussing. And just as a preface to the 398 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,675 question, you know, one of the things that I found throughout 399 00:27:47,675 --> 00:27:51,947 Mycareer and. And even now, sometimes I think maybe more so 400 00:27:51,947 --> 00:27:56,276 where I do have a voice. I use that voice, yet somehow, and 401 00:27:56,276 --> 00:27:59,606 I've I've known other women who've gone through this as 402 00:27:59,606 --> 00:28:05,990 well. It wasn't really addressed my what I've said until. 403 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,080 My counterpart Male in the room, set it as if it was the first 404 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,040 time it had been heard, you know, and that's a challenge 405 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,800 that that I face now that I must overcome now as a as a woman as 406 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,760 a leader in OPQA I know there are big challenge challenges for 407 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,800 each of you as leaders you know you have your all three an I'm 408 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,120 proud to say. You know I've I've witnessed hearing you speak and 409 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,920 speaking to you very strong 410 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,740 women. Who have forged your way in in this career and 411 00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:44,860 you've made something created something beyond what you 412 00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:48,760 found in it. But that doesn't mean you don't have 413 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,660 challenges. Still, as leaders in your fields, if you can 414 00:28:52,660 --> 00:28:56,560 each maybe share some of the challenges that you're still 415 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,240 meeting as a leader in your field. And if we could start 416 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,020 with Suzanne. 417 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:10,391 Sure, so I have less challenges about being a woman for me in 418 00:29:10,391 --> 00:29:15,968 the legal since I work in intellectual property for me, I 419 00:29:15,968 --> 00:29:20,024 still get challenged alot about not being attorney. 420 00:29:20,890 --> 00:29:23,606 Um, and you know, I will say. 421 00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:29,815 Yeah, that the legal profession is not very open to hearing 422 00:29:29,815 --> 00:29:34,490 other opinions right? And so you know, my perspective has been 423 00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:37,890 that business people need to understand intellectual property 424 00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:42,565 in order to help make better informed decisions and so really 425 00:29:42,565 --> 00:29:47,665 when I start to question things or I start talking with business 426 00:29:47,665 --> 00:29:51,915 folks. And if that's in House counselor outside counsel, I 427 00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:56,165 cannot. I can often say that many attorneys don't appreciate 428 00:29:56,165 --> 00:29:59,158 being questioned. About what they are doing, particularly 429 00:29:59,158 --> 00:30:00,172 since I've spent. 430 00:30:00,260 --> 00:30:03,851 30 years creating best practices, but I think we 431 00:30:03,851 --> 00:30:07,841 need to be more open to different types of thought 432 00:30:07,841 --> 00:30:12,629 that no one function or no one type of person has the 433 00:30:12,629 --> 00:30:15,821 all the answers and anything and it's that 434 00:30:15,821 --> 00:30:19,412 diversity of thought. I would like to really push 435 00:30:19,412 --> 00:30:20,609 for in organizations. 436 00:30:22,590 --> 00:30:26,990 Thank you, that's a very unique perspective. the IP field in 437 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:31,390 innovation feels so. Thank you very much. Holly. Can you also 438 00:30:31,390 --> 00:30:35,790 share some of the challenges in your position now? Absolutely. I 439 00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:39,790 remember Suzanne earlier in this event said something about being 440 00:30:39,790 --> 00:30:45,790 the only woman in the room, and I'm sure all of us have had that 441 00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:49,790 experience more times than we possibly can count or remember. 442 00:30:49,790 --> 00:30:54,590 And it it is a challenge. It continues to be a challenge. 443 00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:59,720 I think some of the research shows that institutions don't 444 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,066 really change until about a third of the people are from, 445 00:31:05,066 --> 00:31:07,010 you know, whatever the 446 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,871 minority group is an. I think we probably all 447 00:31:13,871 --> 00:31:19,382 experienced that and I think it's a matter of getting up 448 00:31:19,382 --> 00:31:25,394 every day and trying your best and doing it again and having 449 00:31:25,394 --> 00:31:26,897 your support system. 450 00:31:28,170 --> 00:31:33,123 People that you can always go to have your back. You know you 451 00:31:33,123 --> 00:31:37,314 invest in other people and you're that person for them. And 452 00:31:37,314 --> 00:31:42,267 and then there are people who are that for you and you know 453 00:31:42,267 --> 00:31:46,458 it's a. It's not always exactly the same people and and 454 00:31:46,458 --> 00:31:50,649 sometimes you feel like you know you know you don't have 455 00:31:50,649 --> 00:31:55,602 everything you need in the way of support but but I I highly 456 00:31:55,602 --> 00:32:00,098 recommend that. Thank you, thank you very much and Dara. 457 00:32:01,810 --> 00:32:04,743 Question I've gotta say. Honestly, the challenge 458 00:32:04,743 --> 00:32:06,000 that I face. 459 00:32:07,790 --> 00:32:11,670 Daily is public speaking. I can't stand it. 460 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,428 And that's one of the reasons why I became a patent attorney. 461 00:32:16,428 --> 00:32:20,250 I was like, well, I'll just go do my job. Well, you know, 462 00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:23,778 review is your here on this panel, right? But this is the 463 00:32:23,778 --> 00:32:27,600 reason I do this is because even though I think I don't know 464 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,834 much, I evidently know something because I've done OK in this 465 00:32:30,834 --> 00:32:34,068 career mind. But I think it's incumbent upon me and other 466 00:32:34,068 --> 00:32:37,302 people like me to share our experiences right? So with that 467 00:32:37,302 --> 00:32:40,242 comes public speaking, and it's about forcing yourself into that 468 00:32:40,242 --> 00:32:43,770 uncomfortable place. And so the more you do it, the better you 469 00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:44,946 get at it, but. 470 00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:49,802 I don't like it until it's over, but so that's why I would say, 471 00:32:49,802 --> 00:32:53,520 you know, you know I would challenge anybody to lean into 472 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,900 their discomfort, right? Because once you do that, you're not 473 00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:59,604 only benefiting yourself, but you're benefiting others because 474 00:32:59,604 --> 00:33:03,998 you know, I think the benefit that I bring is not the public 475 00:33:03,998 --> 00:33:07,716 speaking, but it's just the sharing of the journey. And you 476 00:33:07,716 --> 00:33:11,096 know what? Have I experienced that help somebody else? So 477 00:33:11,096 --> 00:33:15,490 there's that challenge. And then you know, on a daily basis I run 478 00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:19,187 into. Stuff that I'm like. How do I deal with that? So it's a 479 00:33:19,187 --> 00:33:22,055 challenge. Every day I say I saw one problem and then two 480 00:33:22,055 --> 00:33:23,250 more show up. Like really? 481 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,670 But yeah, that's that's it. 482 00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:31,780 Thank you, thank you. I I want to move on a little bit to 483 00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:36,520 another topic. I wanted to share with you and we've actually had 484 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,260 a couple of questions that have come in that that really fit 485 00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:45,605 into it. It's about resources that are out there to 486 00:33:45,605 --> 00:33:49,950 support and to help along the way of this pathway of 487 00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:53,900 innovation. So the first question along this way from our 488 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:57,060 our audiences are, are there online networking groups 489 00:33:57,460 --> 00:34:01,618 That you know of that week that we can connect and 490 00:34:01,618 --> 00:34:05,020 find like minded peers. So any type of networking 491 00:34:06,430 --> 00:34:10,090 Organizations that can support. 492 00:34:12,910 --> 00:34:17,057 So actually I was going to talk about some of the resources and 493 00:34:17,057 --> 00:34:21,842 some of them have pivoted to be on line so I can kind of talk 494 00:34:21,842 --> 00:34:26,308 about those. And honestly a lot of the work that I do, all of 495 00:34:26,308 --> 00:34:30,774 the work that I do is internal right? So all of my clients are 496 00:34:30,774 --> 00:34:35,878 at P&G, so I don't have to go too far to get help. But I do 497 00:34:35,878 --> 00:34:39,706 try to reach externally. So for my own benefit, like I might 498 00:34:39,706 --> 00:34:42,577 reach out to AIPLA and IPO so 499 00:34:42,577 --> 00:34:45,788 American Intellectual Property Law Association or intellectual 500 00:34:45,788 --> 00:34:49,332 Property Owners Association for consult with my legal 501 00:34:49,332 --> 00:34:52,876 counterparts, but they also have mentoring programs for 502 00:34:52,876 --> 00:34:57,749 inventors, an members that are attorney. So I would say look 503 00:34:57,749 --> 00:35:01,736 into those organizations because they will partner you with 504 00:35:01,736 --> 00:35:07,052 people who are maybe in the same geographic location. So from a 505 00:35:07,052 --> 00:35:11,482 time zone standpoint, it's easier. You guys can talk about 506 00:35:11,482 --> 00:35:12,811 intellectual property, whatever. 507 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,215 It's whether it's patent or trademark or Copyright related. 508 00:35:17,215 --> 00:35:21,780 And then maybe you have a commonality in the area of 509 00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:26,345 technology. The other thing that I would recommend is the small 510 00:35:26,345 --> 00:35:30,080 Business development Center. Now this is something that is 511 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,230 present here in the Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky area, and 512 00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:37,550 they have partnered with Northern Kentucky University And 513 00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:41,700 in Northern Kentucky, but also at the Urban League in 514 00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:43,360 Cincinnati, so I would. 515 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,912 You know, ask people to check out their Urban League in their 516 00:35:48,912 --> 00:35:53,378 respective region because they may very well have an SBDC that 517 00:35:53,378 --> 00:35:57,438 is offering services virtually so they've got one to one 518 00:35:57,438 --> 00:35:59,874 consultations and they offer comprehensive business 519 00:35:59,874 --> 00:36:04,340 management in an inclusion services. And they do this at no 520 00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:08,806 cost to entrepreneurs. And then I think piggybacking on, I think 521 00:36:08,806 --> 00:36:12,866 Kimberly mentioned it score. You know they are the nation's 522 00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:16,114 largest network of volunteers and they've got some. 523 00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:20,232 Expert business mentors that are here to talk to small businesses 524 00:36:20,232 --> 00:36:24,938 to help them get off the ground and provide a lot of resources. 525 00:36:24,938 --> 00:36:29,644 I mean, I was taken aback by, you know, the vast amount of 526 00:36:29,644 --> 00:36:32,902 resources that they've got. They've got like over 10,000 527 00:36:32,902 --> 00:36:35,798 volunteers that are focused on helping entrepreneurs succeed 528 00:36:35,798 --> 00:36:40,142 and they offer you know when we're in the normal world they 529 00:36:40,142 --> 00:36:43,762 have in person events, but they've also got live and 530 00:36:43,762 --> 00:36:45,572 recorded webinars and courses on 531 00:36:45,572 --> 00:36:50,374 demand. And they've also got, I think. And I checked into this 532 00:36:50,374 --> 00:36:54,114 is their online resource library. I mean, they've got all 533 00:36:54,114 --> 00:36:58,976 kinds of tools that startups can use and then also here in Ohio 534 00:36:58,976 --> 00:37:02,716 we have a women's business center and they actually offer 535 00:37:02,716 --> 00:37:06,082 various office services like coworking, office space and they 536 00:37:06,082 --> 00:37:09,074 help with loan package preparation and mentoring. So 537 00:37:09,074 --> 00:37:13,188 that's just in this area, so I'm certain that there are 538 00:37:13,188 --> 00:37:16,928 counterparts around the nation. So if you just look into 539 00:37:16,928 --> 00:37:21,666 mentoring. And then finally, I would probably just say 540 00:37:21,666 --> 00:37:26,086 podcasts. I mean, I never would have thought you could 541 00:37:26,086 --> 00:37:30,506 learn so much from podcasts, but for me, listening to 542 00:37:30,506 --> 00:37:34,042 other peoples stories of success has been pretty 543 00:37:34,042 --> 00:37:38,020 insightful. So there's this one podcast called How I 544 00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:43,324 built this with, uh, with Inez and it's I mean Guy Raz 545 00:37:43,324 --> 00:37:49,070 and It's RAZ. And it's an NPR podcast, so there he talks to 546 00:37:49,070 --> 00:37:50,838 folks at Strava Chipotle. 547 00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:55,652 There's a act one group in that that organization was founded by 548 00:37:55,652 --> 00:37:59,084 a lady that went to my alma mater, North Carolina A&T. So 549 00:37:59,084 --> 00:38:01,086 she was like one of the first. 550 00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:06,370 Black billionaires in the US. And that's just a talent 551 00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:09,306 management organization that she's developed. And then you've 552 00:38:09,306 --> 00:38:13,343 got like the lip bar cosmetic company, Lyft, Yelp, and then, 553 00:38:13,343 --> 00:38:17,747 of course, Bumble. So I mean, it's just great to hear about 554 00:38:17,747 --> 00:38:21,417 how you know these other companies have started up until 555 00:38:21,417 --> 00:38:25,050 needed. Yeah, absolutely thank you. That's a wealth of 556 00:38:25,050 --> 00:38:28,250 information. Thank you so much Holly. And anything that you 557 00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:29,530 would like to share. 558 00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:32,218 That was really impressive. 559 00:38:33,820 --> 00:38:38,300 And I wholly endorse the idea of getting involved with 560 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:42,332 professional associations. I mean, I know how important that 561 00:38:42,332 --> 00:38:47,708 has been in for me in Mycareer, the Women's Bar Association, in 562 00:38:47,708 --> 00:38:52,188 particular, when I was more junior attorney was both a 563 00:38:52,188 --> 00:38:57,116 professional home, but also a place where I found friends and 564 00:38:57,116 --> 00:39:02,940 people that I continue to talk to today. So I think for every 565 00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:07,240 different person. It's it's maybe some different 566 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:11,224 professional Association. There's associations for women, 567 00:39:11,224 --> 00:39:13,880 engineers for black engineers. 568 00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:21,145 Really, honestly, like whatever area you're in. Dara mentioned 569 00:39:21,145 --> 00:39:25,590 the intellectual property associations which have women 570 00:39:25,590 --> 00:39:28,765 and diversity subsets of them. 571 00:39:30,220 --> 00:39:35,368 I think universities can be great places if you're at that 572 00:39:35,368 --> 00:39:39,580 stage in your life. the Institute for Women's Health 573 00:39:39,580 --> 00:39:44,728 Research did a paper where they covered the the best practices 574 00:39:44,728 --> 00:39:48,940 programs. So a number of different universities and this 575 00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:55,492 of course, is is more in person. But I think many of them have 576 00:39:55,492 --> 00:39:58,300 online components now. But women's entrepreneurship 577 00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:00,172 program. So University Florida. 578 00:40:00,340 --> 00:40:04,624 University of Illinois. The Association for Women in Science 579 00:40:04,624 --> 00:40:08,908 has a great entrepreneurship program, so their local inventor 580 00:40:08,908 --> 00:40:15,096 club, if that, if that's your thing, I I think, you know, just 581 00:40:15,096 --> 00:40:21,284 think of like what what kind of people would you like to hang 582 00:40:21,284 --> 00:40:25,092 out? 'cause there there's likely organization for that. 583 00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:31,471 Thank you very much. Thank you once again a wealth of 584 00:40:31,471 --> 00:40:35,080 information and Suzanne. I'll ask you to also share. 585 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:41,788 Yeah, I so I don't know how much more I can add to that, but I 586 00:40:41,788 --> 00:40:46,204 would say that I would look at places like the national Venture 587 00:40:46,204 --> 00:40:49,884 Capital Association where they have a lot of draft contracts. 588 00:40:49,884 --> 00:40:54,668 An investor, things you can learn how to do a pitch. I mean, 589 00:40:54,668 --> 00:40:58,348 again, I find here in Silicon Valley, Silicon Valley Bank, 590 00:40:58,348 --> 00:41:01,660 First Republic Bank both offer introductions to investors. If 591 00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:06,076 your client and also they can hook you up with some resources. 592 00:41:06,140 --> 00:41:09,764 About what loans are available, all of those types of things. So 593 00:41:09,764 --> 00:41:13,086 try to be also a little bit unconventional and who you're 594 00:41:13,086 --> 00:41:17,314 going to and asking for help. I also know that a lot of alumni 595 00:41:17,314 --> 00:41:19,730 associations at universities, whether undergrad or grad, offer 596 00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:23,052 again a lot of networking groups and places to showcase what 597 00:41:23,052 --> 00:41:26,072 you've learned or even hear about what other people are 598 00:41:26,072 --> 00:41:29,696 doing. So try to think a little bit out of the box. 599 00:41:30,580 --> 00:41:34,585 Absolutely, absolutely great advice and I'll just say from 600 00:41:34,585 --> 00:41:40,815 the from the side of the USPTO, we have events such as this, the 601 00:41:40,815 --> 00:41:44,375 Women's Symposium, where normally is on our headquarter 602 00:41:44,375 --> 00:41:48,825 campus. But also, you know, even in this virtual environment, 603 00:41:48,825 --> 00:41:53,275 sharing into chat, giving information to each other a lot 604 00:41:53,275 --> 00:41:58,615 comes out of coming to events like this or the USPTO. Also, 605 00:41:58,615 --> 00:42:02,620 yearly puts an invention con where we bring entrepreneurs. 606 00:42:03,460 --> 00:42:07,285 VC's attorneys in to discuss innovation. And 607 00:42:07,285 --> 00:42:11,535 growing your invention and growing your ideas and from each 608 00:42:11,535 --> 00:42:16,210 other. It's absolutely amazing. The ideas that come out from the 609 00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:21,310 people who come to get more information and they they are so 610 00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:26,835 willing to share. So attending events like this I think is as a 611 00:42:26,835 --> 00:42:28,110 huge step also. 612 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,548 So we do have another question along the line of resources and 613 00:42:34,548 --> 00:42:39,817 the question is as a finance professional. Alot of my clients 614 00:42:39,817 --> 00:42:44,607 are women and minority owned businesses for the one set 615 00:42:44,607 --> 00:42:49,397 express ideas around launching an invention or solution. Do you 616 00:42:49,397 --> 00:42:54,666 have suggestions as to next best steps to take for them? 617 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,088 And maybe Suzanne if you don't mind starting. 618 00:42:59,470 --> 00:43:04,412 Yeah, so I think the first thing you have to decide is whether or 619 00:43:04,412 --> 00:43:07,236 not you can have intellectual property protection. That's 620 00:43:07,236 --> 00:43:11,119 first and foremost. You know whether you get a patent or 621 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:15,002 trademark or have a trade secret. These are all forms of 622 00:43:15,002 --> 00:43:17,826 competitive advantage and you need to understand whether 623 00:43:17,826 --> 00:43:21,709 that's something that will work with your invention or not. The 624 00:43:21,709 --> 00:43:25,239 second thing I would try to do is figure out. 625 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:27,830 You know, is this a? 626 00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:32,580 A little idea? Or is this a big idea? Is it worth a dollar? Is 627 00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:36,472 it worth $1,000,000? I mean if I were to go to dinner with an 628 00:43:36,472 --> 00:43:39,808 invention, the first thing she's wanting to want to know it is 629 00:43:39,808 --> 00:43:43,144 like, how important is it right? Is it is this something that's 630 00:43:43,144 --> 00:43:46,480 going to work for all people? There isn't going to work for 631 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,094 like 5 people, right? So we need some sort of scale option or 632 00:43:50,094 --> 00:43:52,874 scaling or scope or an understanding of what is this 633 00:43:52,874 --> 00:43:56,488 gonna do? And is it enough to make whole business around it or 634 00:43:56,488 --> 00:43:58,156 is it just one incremental idea 635 00:43:58,156 --> 00:44:01,108 that maybe is? Interesting, but you couldn't start a 636 00:44:01,108 --> 00:44:04,716 whole business around, so you know there's just a few quick 637 00:44:04,716 --> 00:44:07,668 and dirty ideas. No, thank you. Thank you, Holly. 638 00:44:08,810 --> 00:44:14,816 Well, I think Suzanne is the real expert on this and 639 00:44:14,816 --> 00:44:19,730 appreciate her thoughts. I would encourage people to recognize 640 00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:24,644 that even though legal help for protecting your intellectual 641 00:44:24,644 --> 00:44:30,104 property can be very expensive, there are pro bono resources 642 00:44:30,104 --> 00:44:36,110 available for that Valentia. I know the USPTO has a strong 643 00:44:36,110 --> 00:44:38,294 program, many law school, 644 00:44:38,294 --> 00:44:44,761 actually. Help uh clinics that can help with this, but but I 645 00:44:44,761 --> 00:44:50,071 can't reiterate enough how important that East of it is 646 00:44:50,071 --> 00:44:56,443 because we we know how key that intellectual property can be for 647 00:44:56,443 --> 00:45:01,753 the later success of the business in terms of garnering 648 00:45:01,753 --> 00:45:07,063 venture capital in terms of there, there's a reason that's 649 00:45:07,063 --> 00:45:09,718 been done that shows that. 650 00:45:10,210 --> 00:45:16,580 Five years later, a start of the had a patent or patents on 651 00:45:16,580 --> 00:45:21,970 average, has 16 more employees than startups that didn't have a 652 00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:26,870 patent, so would very much encouraged people to to protect 653 00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:28,340 that intellectual property. 654 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,160 Thank you and Eric from from the point of view, 655 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,004 from the corporate side, do you have any advice? 656 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,016 This is going to say because I don't have much experience from 657 00:45:42,016 --> 00:45:45,796 the entrepreneurial aspect of it, but as a corporate attorney 658 00:45:45,796 --> 00:45:49,576 I know we are approached with requests for consideration of 659 00:45:49,576 --> 00:45:54,490 ideas all the time. But what is critical for us is that that 660 00:45:54,490 --> 00:45:59,026 person has protected their idea because, you know, we we as a 661 00:45:59,026 --> 00:46:03,562 larger entity do not want to be accused of having stolen idea. 662 00:46:03,562 --> 00:46:07,342 So it really helps if it's already memorialized in some 663 00:46:07,342 --> 00:46:08,854 type of intellectual property. 664 00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:12,932 And then we can evaluate. Is that something that to Suzanne's 665 00:46:12,932 --> 00:46:17,508 point is worth? You know our time is it? Is it something that 666 00:46:17,508 --> 00:46:21,028 we've seen a consumer indicate interest in and we haven't 667 00:46:21,028 --> 00:46:25,252 necessarily put the work 4th but you have as the inventor? So 668 00:46:25,252 --> 00:46:29,828 having that IP base is a gives us a really good running start 669 00:46:29,828 --> 00:46:34,052 to have a conversation, because maybe your I mean, maybe you are 670 00:46:34,052 --> 00:46:37,220 an entrepreneur that invents, maybe you don't produce. Maybe 671 00:46:37,220 --> 00:46:39,332 you just license and get rich. 672 00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:39,910 That way. 673 00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:45,967 Absolutely thank you. So we did have another question that came 674 00:46:45,967 --> 00:46:50,004 in. The question is do you know about University programs that 675 00:46:50,004 --> 00:46:54,041 have programs to support women with a startup program or as 676 00:46:54,041 --> 00:46:57,344 business accelerators? And and maybe you know beyond 'cause 677 00:46:57,344 --> 00:47:01,748 University programs do have it. But if you know of any other 678 00:47:01,748 --> 00:47:05,051 programs as well, it's it's. It's beyond universities, we 679 00:47:05,051 --> 00:47:08,354 have federal government programs. We have a we have 680 00:47:08,354 --> 00:47:12,024 corporations that have them private owners. So if you have. 681 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,011 Any information and start with Holly on on these types of 682 00:47:17,011 --> 00:47:21,421 programs will Blench if we should definitely put in the 683 00:47:21,421 --> 00:47:25,390 resources. This report by the Institute for Women's Policy 684 00:47:25,390 --> 00:47:30,682 Research because they do cover, I think it's about 8:00 or so. 685 00:47:30,682 --> 00:47:35,533 Best practice program, and I think these are just the kinds 686 00:47:35,533 --> 00:47:39,943 of programs that the person asking the question is looking 687 00:47:39,943 --> 00:47:42,148 for. I am not aware. 688 00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:47,591 One resource that has all these programs together, but I do 689 00:47:47,591 --> 00:47:52,401 think I am aware of these programs at Florida, University 690 00:47:52,401 --> 00:47:58,173 of Illinois and the Association for Women in Science as as at 691 00:47:58,173 --> 00:48:00,097 least a starting point. 692 00:48:01,090 --> 00:48:05,828 Absolutely. And Suzanne anything to share on this point? Yeah, 693 00:48:05,828 --> 00:48:09,248 actually corporations are doing more and more and more, so 694 00:48:09,248 --> 00:48:13,010 Comcast is a great example of that. They have actually an 695 00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:17,456 accelerator where you can apply to be apart of it. It's like a 696 00:48:17,456 --> 00:48:21,560 three month program. You come in and you. They provide you some 697 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,322 resources and look about what to do with your invention. You 698 00:48:25,322 --> 00:48:29,426 don't have to do it can have nothing to do with Comcast 699 00:48:29,426 --> 00:48:32,162 business business, but they're just all good ideas. 700 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,060 They will actually have Comcast executives come in mentor. Many 701 00:48:37,060 --> 00:48:41,702 of the people in the program. Some of the technologies do 702 00:48:41,702 --> 00:48:46,344 apply to Comcast business and that might pick that up. Maybe 703 00:48:46,344 --> 00:48:51,408 they don't, I'm not sure, so I think more and more companies 704 00:48:51,408 --> 00:48:56,050 are beginning to realize the value of helping to build that 705 00:48:56,050 --> 00:48:59,426 entrepreneurial community in their locations. And there also 706 00:48:59,426 --> 00:49:03,224 networking together so Comcast can also point you too. 707 00:49:03,310 --> 00:49:07,114 10 or 12 other places in other locations of companies who are 708 00:49:07,114 --> 00:49:08,699 doing similar types of things. 709 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,103 And also on the plug for the military, Naval X is an example. 710 00:49:14,103 --> 00:49:18,184 A lot of the military or now creating innovation funds to 711 00:49:18,184 --> 00:49:21,894 help find technologies that can be utilized within the military 712 00:49:21,894 --> 00:49:27,088 to scale up faster. So those are other sources that may not be on 713 00:49:27,088 --> 00:49:32,215 peoples radars. Thank you, thank you and Eric sure. So I 714 00:49:32,215 --> 00:49:35,375 did mention the small Business development center that's 715 00:49:35,375 --> 00:49:40,115 based in KU here in the Urban League, and I'm pretty sure 716 00:49:40,115 --> 00:49:43,670 that's not limited to that University, so I would 717 00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:48,015 probably give that at Google to see where else it exists. 718 00:49:48,015 --> 00:49:49,990 But here in Cincinnati too. 719 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,570 Holly's point, you know we have a organization called Centrafuse 720 00:49:55,570 --> 00:49:59,700 and it's a 501C3 partnership that has been established to 721 00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:03,417 help build sustainable tech based economies here in the 722 00:50:03,417 --> 00:50:07,547 area. So you've got folks there serving as advocates for 723 00:50:07,547 --> 00:50:12,090 entrepreneurs in the high growth tech space and those startups an 724 00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:16,220 like. Suzanne mentioned, we've got a number of big companies 725 00:50:16,220 --> 00:50:20,350 and P&G is one of them. Partnering with universities and 726 00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:22,002 private investors and other 727 00:50:22,002 --> 00:50:24,750 startups. Trying to make Cincinnati like a technology 728 00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:28,270 hub, so I would probably, you know, check out Sentra fuse 729 00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:32,110 to see if there is a similar model in your area, because 730 00:50:32,110 --> 00:50:35,950 even though we'd like since Eddie to be the hub in the 731 00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:39,150 Midwest for a technology, I'm sure there are other areas. 732 00:50:41,290 --> 00:50:47,380 Yeah, thank you so some that I have heard of. I know NYU has a 733 00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:51,846 program for startups so they have a great program that is 734 00:50:51,846 --> 00:50:55,500 open actually to to anyone. There's some universities like 735 00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:59,560 Virginia Tech and there's others where it's it's more surrounded 736 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,620 around their students and but their programs that you can 737 00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:08,898 certainly go onto their web pages and take a look at to help 738 00:51:08,898 --> 00:51:10,928 get ideas from also government. 739 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,631 Agencies like NSF has an amazing program for startups and getting 740 00:51:15,631 --> 00:51:20,262 getting the right, the right start and moving on to grants. 741 00:51:20,262 --> 00:51:24,472 And of course there's the Small Business Administration that has 742 00:51:24,472 --> 00:51:28,261 grant programs as well as the minority business administration 743 00:51:28,261 --> 00:51:33,313 that can help gear you in the right direction. So there are 744 00:51:33,313 --> 00:51:38,786 actually many out there that can help, but you, all of you have 745 00:51:38,786 --> 00:51:40,049 given a great. 746 00:51:41,130 --> 00:51:44,770 Great information for our participants, so I had a series 747 00:51:44,770 --> 00:51:49,866 we have about 6 minutes left. I had a series of questions that I 748 00:51:49,866 --> 00:51:54,234 wanted to ask, but the questions that have been coming in are 749 00:51:54,234 --> 00:51:58,602 just so fantastic I think I'll I'll. I'll ask another of those 750 00:51:58,602 --> 00:52:03,334 of the entire panel. It's what is the one thing that helped you 751 00:52:03,334 --> 00:52:06,974 achieve your leadership role that you would suggest to others 752 00:52:06,974 --> 00:52:10,978 to follow an for young women just starting in the corporate 753 00:52:10,978 --> 00:52:12,857 world. And if we could start with Suzanne. 754 00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:17,556 Wow, that's actually kind of difficult. 755 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,149 Like there is this your nightmare, right? 756 00:52:26,090 --> 00:52:29,962 Honestly, you have to believe in yourself. You have to believe 757 00:52:29,962 --> 00:52:34,186 that your ideas are valuable in your idea should be heard and. 758 00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:41,230 I can say that while I don't always understand, or you know. 759 00:52:42,220 --> 00:52:45,817 I see when it when someone doesn't have that quality right? 760 00:52:45,817 --> 00:52:49,414 I went to Graduate School and when we were all interviewing 761 00:52:49,414 --> 00:52:53,338 for jobs, how I was treated versus some of my other women. 762 00:52:53,338 --> 00:52:55,954 Colleagues were wildly different, right? They got all 763 00:52:55,954 --> 00:52:59,224 sorts of questions that they shouldn't have gotten. You know 764 00:52:59,224 --> 00:53:03,148 things that were not at all HR appropriate Ann. I didn't have 765 00:53:03,148 --> 00:53:08,053 any of that and I think it's just that I came in with the I'm 766 00:53:08,053 --> 00:53:12,304 going to do this. I'm going to be successful and I know that. 767 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,946 Sounds silly, but it makes a big difference for you to 768 00:53:15,946 --> 00:53:19,206 project that face to the world, and it's important to 769 00:53:19,206 --> 00:53:23,118 believe it. And even if you don't believe it then fake it 770 00:53:23,118 --> 00:53:24,748 till you make it but. 771 00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:30,263 Have to you have to project that error becomes really important. 772 00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:36,038 Absolutely agree completely Allie. Do you have anything 773 00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:37,736 to add well? 774 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,550 Second dad, but also I think some concepts related to 775 00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:50,682 perseverance and grit Grid is sort of in Word these days, but 776 00:53:50,682 --> 00:53:57,325 just just the idea that you're going to get up every day and 777 00:53:57,325 --> 00:54:03,457 you're gonna keep trying an part of that does involve trying to 778 00:54:03,457 --> 00:54:09,078 tune out all of the negative messages that one might get. 779 00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:15,116 Wendy, of course. You have to listen to 'cause you could learn 780 00:54:15,116 --> 00:54:18,252 something valuable from feedback, but unfortunately a 781 00:54:18,252 --> 00:54:22,284 lot of feedback, particularly for women. People of color, 782 00:54:22,284 --> 00:54:27,212 younger people, you know people who maybe didn't come from the 783 00:54:27,212 --> 00:54:31,692 elite parts of society or our education system. There there 784 00:54:31,692 --> 00:54:38,412 are things you want to do in and out, and you need to believe in 785 00:54:38,412 --> 00:54:43,090 your. Self and persevere and keep trying. Even though 786 00:54:43,090 --> 00:54:48,240 things are hard, it's it's the long game. This is 787 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,300 absolutely the long game. 788 00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:56,558 Derek sure honestly. I have to piggyback on what Holly said. I 789 00:54:56,558 --> 00:55:00,166 for me. I think it's been my ability to take constructive 790 00:55:00,166 --> 00:55:03,774 feedback in process it and improve upon it. I've seen a 791 00:55:03,774 --> 00:55:07,382 number of people in my field that are not receptive to 792 00:55:07,382 --> 00:55:11,646 feedback and they don't go far, or if they yeah, they don't go 793 00:55:11,646 --> 00:55:15,910 far. They may stay around, but they don't go far. So I think 794 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:19,518 being open and I think pairing that with humility, like being 795 00:55:19,518 --> 00:55:24,110 able to hear that and say, OK, I need to pivot and do something 796 00:55:24,110 --> 00:55:27,416 different to achieve. You know what the client wants or what 797 00:55:27,416 --> 00:55:31,082 the business needs that has gone along way for me. And then I 798 00:55:31,082 --> 00:55:35,030 think it also helps that people see that in you. And when I say 799 00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:37,850 people, not necessarily the people above you, but the people 800 00:55:37,850 --> 00:55:41,234 below you because then that makes it OK for them to accept 801 00:55:41,234 --> 00:55:43,772 the feedback that you're giving them, because again, you're 802 00:55:43,772 --> 00:55:47,156 investing in them. It's a gift and they should take that with 803 00:55:47,156 --> 00:55:48,566 all the seriousness that you're 804 00:55:48,566 --> 00:55:53,344 delivering it so. That's cool, thank you. I would just a share 805 00:55:53,344 --> 00:55:57,712 from my own side of one of the things that we've already talked 806 00:55:57,712 --> 00:56:01,408 about that was really crucial for me in Mycareer was mentor 807 00:56:01,408 --> 00:56:04,768 ship and and really putting yourself out there to others. 808 00:56:04,768 --> 00:56:09,136 You know it's not always had to be someone's going to come to 809 00:56:09,136 --> 00:56:14,176 you and want to cradle you and tell you what to do. You have to 810 00:56:14,176 --> 00:56:18,208 put yourself out. You have to build your network an for me 811 00:56:18,208 --> 00:56:19,216 there are two. 812 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,970 Tune strong mentors in Mycareer won an African American woman 813 00:56:24,970 --> 00:56:30,502 who mentored me that I could completely relate to and she can 814 00:56:30,502 --> 00:56:36,034 relate to what I was going through. An I found that just 815 00:56:36,034 --> 00:56:42,488 the advice she gave me amazing, but the other is a man about 30 816 00:56:42,488 --> 00:56:47,559 years older than me that I had absolutely nothing in common 817 00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:50,786 with. But hearing his perspective on things. 818 00:56:50,910 --> 00:56:55,374 An understanding a different point of view I found to be, you 819 00:56:55,374 --> 00:56:59,838 know, also very crucial as part of Mycareer. So you know, just 820 00:56:59,838 --> 00:57:04,302 as as this panel has said. Really look to the people around 821 00:57:04,302 --> 00:57:09,138 you and and and absorb it all and put yourself out there. You 822 00:57:09,138 --> 00:57:10,254 know just you. 823 00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:13,178 Mic is not going to get you there. 824 00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:19,942 And be it, it's OK to make mistakes at times, as long as 825 00:57:19,942 --> 00:57:23,382 you're learning from those mistakes and growing. So I am 826 00:57:23,382 --> 00:57:28,198 going to. I know we're at the very end, but I'm going to ask 827 00:57:28,198 --> 00:57:31,982 of each of our panelists. Might just have one thing to 828 00:57:31,982 --> 00:57:34,734 leave our participants with on this topic about. 829 00:57:36,790 --> 00:57:41,386 The careers in the time and working and what have you seen 830 00:57:41,386 --> 00:57:45,216 the progress that's really stuck to you? And, really. 831 00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:51,410 He felt strongly about in your career over the last few years 832 00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:55,060 about women in this field where we're going, what's what's 833 00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:59,075 really resonated with you, and if we can start with Suzanne. 834 00:58:01,630 --> 00:58:04,721 You know, I think the most important thing is don't be 835 00:58:04,721 --> 00:58:07,812 afraid of failure. I mean, if you haven't failed, you haven't 836 00:58:07,812 --> 00:58:10,903 tried hard enough honestly, and you know, I'm in Silicon Valley 837 00:58:10,903 --> 00:58:12,308 and investors won't fund someone 838 00:58:12,308 --> 00:58:15,726 who hasn't failed. Because then you don't know what to 839 00:58:15,726 --> 00:58:18,318 do. Alright, if that's your biggest fear, then you're 840 00:58:18,318 --> 00:58:21,486 never going to push it hard enough to actually fail. And 841 00:58:21,486 --> 00:58:24,078 frankly, as an inventor, you're going to fail. You'll 842 00:58:24,078 --> 00:58:26,958 probably fail multiple times half the time. It won't even 843 00:58:26,958 --> 00:58:30,702 be your fault, so you just need to learn how to adapt and 844 00:58:30,702 --> 00:58:33,582 keep moving. And you know 'cause it's going to happen, 845 00:58:33,582 --> 00:58:37,326 so don't be afraid of that. Wear it as a badge of honor. 846 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:39,988 Thank you Ann Holly. 847 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,563 Well, thanks so much Valentia for for having me. 848 00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:51,294 I do want to say that this has really been. I'm in the history 849 00:58:51,294 --> 00:58:56,046 of our country where there's a bunch more focus on race and 850 00:58:56,046 --> 00:59:01,194 gender, and I think we have to take that as an opportunity. One 851 00:59:01,194 --> 00:59:05,946 thing I am heartened about is that even though we feel like 852 00:59:05,946 --> 00:59:10,302 maybe there are many partisan battles that are being fought in 853 00:59:10,302 --> 00:59:14,658 our country, this is an issue that I've seen members of 854 00:59:14,658 --> 00:59:16,242 Congress from all parts. 855 00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:22,120 Come together and say that this is an important problem to 856 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:27,620 solve, so the Congress passed the Success Act. The USPTO did 857 00:59:27,620 --> 00:59:32,620 tremendous research on these issues that led to the creation 858 00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:36,620 of the National Council for expanding American Innovation, 859 00:59:36,620 --> 00:59:42,620 which is going to be putting out national strategy. An report in 860 00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:45,620 June. the Congress is working on 861 00:59:45,620 --> 00:59:50,990 new legislation. Called the Idea Act and I would encourage 862 00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:56,690 everybody to take a look. We've got that on our website at 863 00:59:56,690 --> 01:00:00,015 inventtogether.org. Learn about that support that legislation 864 01:00:00,015 --> 01:00:04,765 that will drive even more attention and knowledge to both 865 01:00:04,765 --> 01:00:09,515 understanding the patent gaps than what the problems are, but 866 01:00:09,515 --> 01:00:14,740 also the solution. And so I mean, I am excited because 867 01:00:14,740 --> 01:00:17,115 there's a focus on these 868 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,501 Issues, and I think there's real interest in trying to make 869 01:00:21,501 --> 01:00:25,714 progress. Thank you and Dara. I will give you the last word. 870 01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:31,088 I honestly I would say women still need to keep entering the 871 01:00:31,088 --> 01:00:34,378 stem field for some reason. There's scarcity. I don't know 872 01:00:34,378 --> 01:00:38,655 how that is after 20 years ago, when I thought we were making 873 01:00:38,655 --> 01:00:42,932 headway, but I think we need to just keep on pressing and I 874 01:00:42,932 --> 01:00:46,222 think offering up practical but bold solutions on the various 875 01:00:46,222 --> 01:00:49,183 problems that we're encountering because we're always skilled at 876 01:00:49,183 --> 01:00:52,473 wearing multiple hats. So let's let's wear those bold practical 877 01:00:52,473 --> 01:00:55,434 solution hats, and then just reiterating what Suzanne said. 878 01:00:55,434 --> 01:00:57,408 Just don't be afraid to try. 879 01:00:57,860 --> 01:01:01,868 Anan fail get out of your own head. Yes, thank you to 880 01:01:01,868 --> 01:01:05,208 our Panelists. You've done just what yet. Again, I've had 881 01:01:05,208 --> 01:01:08,548 such an amazing conversation with you all and learn so 882 01:01:08,548 --> 01:01:12,556 much so thank you so much for giving us your time and 883 01:01:12,556 --> 01:01:14,894 I will give it back to Sean.